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preybeforemeals) wrote in slowpoke_gif2014-10-13 01:50 pm
And if you'd like to talk for hours, just go ahead now
1. Leave a comment listing who you play.
2. Reply to one another, asking for details on CR/what their characters think of yours!
3. tl;dr at will!
Holy crap, it's so easy a Weedle can do it.
Have at and enjoy!
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Parker | Leverage |
Kyouko Kirigiri | Dangan Ronpa |
Schuldig | Weiss Kreuz |
Meridiana Everett | Count Cain |
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i don't think any of the others have opinions on her?
Kirigiri on Nanami
One of the things I've always found kind of fascinating about the Dangans is their tendency to keep a pretty solid lid on their personal business; it's not that they don't talk to people or anything like that, but they seem to have a pretty strong conception of the idea that these are their problems and they're going to handle them amongst themselves and let's just kind of work this stuff out, and I think it's a kind of communal self-reliance born of their murderschool circumstances and whatnot.
So the fact that Kirigiri, who's arguably one of the most cryptic and stonewally members of the cast when it comes to information-sharing, is of the opinion that Nanami deserves a seat at the table for it, is pretty indicative of the fact that she trusts Nanami a lot and has sort of adopted her to some extent as "one of us", despite her somewhat unusual origins and the fact that all she's really got to go on in terms of Nanami's validity is her own word and description of events that Kirigiri herself hasn't experienced yet.
...On a lighter note, I personally think it's really cute when they talk about random normal stuff like Naegi and having boyfriends and dumb things like that, and I think it's pretty much a given that Nanami's got Kirigiri smoked in terms of rivalry prowess by now.
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Parker on Chihiro
Parker likes Chihiro a lot, honestly, even though she's closer to some of the other members of the cast than she is to Chihiro. I'm pretty sure she's still not aware that Fujisaki is in fact a dude, but even if she ever does find out, I think the most weirded-out she's going to be is "...but why are you wearing a dress", which itself has very little to do with the notion of boys wearing dresses and more to do with why anyone would ever voluntarily choose to wear a dress of their own volition because dresses are impractical and terrible for crawling through air ducts and stuff. So tl;dr she's pretty fine with Fujisaki all around.
Kirigiri on Chihiro
Kirigiri still feels really bad about making Chihiro cry when he first arrived in Route (and I still feel kind of bad, too), but what I don't feel bad about is the fact that she's actually grown from that particular fuck-up and is honestly trying to be more attentive to how the things she does might hurt people if she's not careful about the way and the context in which she says them? Like, Maizono is currently reaping the benefits of the incident with Chihiro because regardless of her personal feelings on Maizono right now, she's still trying to be conscious of the fact that Maizono's disoriented and probably scared and that we need to kind of ease her into this stuff instead of just blindsiding her with everything, and that maybe we should do it tactfully and as a group instead of unilaterally. So he made a difference in that respect, yup!
Schuldig on Chihiro
As far as Schuldig is concerned, Chihiro is a cute little girl who's also a complete naive idiot, but he's fine with that because being on the good side of a cute little girl is a great way to establish credibility as a decent person. So he's likely to stay on "her" good side as long as possible, if for no other reason than that it's beneficial to him.
Schuldig on Jimmy
...Speaking of naive idiots. In perfect honestly, Schuldig really doesn't have any sort of personal investment in Jimmy, outside of the fact that the kid's clearly got issues and maybe if he's bored and can't think of anything better to do he'll go poke them once in a while. He hasn't adopted the kid as one of "his things", so there's no possessive interest in being the one to break him or anything; if anything, it's more of just a passing "yup, he's there", and maybe if he feels like ruining the kid's day he'll do that, but he's just as likely to ignore it and drink a Coke instead.
Schuldig on Nagi
He'll never say it out loud, but it's actually really nice having a fellow member of Schwarz around, and as nice as it would be to have Crawford present and accounted for, he's certainly not complaining about having Nagi. He figures it's probably good for the kid, for one thing, and for another that means he's still in charge, which isn't so bad. So really, having Nagi around means having a companion who he can talk to safely and who understands his unique Psychic World Problems like no one else really does, and that means a lot to him.
Kirigiri on Nagi
Quite possibly the only person worse at holding a conversation than she is herself. Good lord, did we ever drown in ellipses on that one, jeez.
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Some of this is probably just a case of poor impression, but at the moment Carmen's a little of the opinion that Veronica's a bit of a stick in the mud; she thinks she needs to lighten up and enjoy herself more often, among other things. Granted, a lot of that is on Carmen and the fact that she personally tends to take poorly to having the things she does called into question, but in particular their most recent thread seemed to involve a lot of "Great...but why?" or "...I don't get it" or just a kind of unwillingness to play along with her antics. So it's not that Carmen dislikes Veronica by any means, just that her current impression is that she could stand to ease up and have a little more fun once in a while.
Parker on Veronica
Parker on Veronica, on the other hand...they are always just downright surreal, so I don't think Veronica's really registered on Parker's radar all that much if only because they're still in the sort of "casual chatter following wildly ridiculous logic paths" stage of their CR. Parker's pretty okay with that, though, and like Carmen she doesn't dislike Veronica any; she just hasn't formed all that much of an opinion yet.
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And... yeah, Parker and Veronica are surreal.
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Naegi, I think, is the kind of kid that Carmen would've loved to teach or take under her wing back home, had circumstances gone a little differently — which is not to say she'd be interested in training up Naegi to be an international criminal or anything, but I get the sense that she thinks he's the kind of kid who would've done well at ACME? Granted, he says there's nothing special about himself, but in Carmen's perspective that pretty much just means "you haven't found your special thing yet", because that's how she sees people. But Naegi's a personable kid, he's pretty quick-witted, and the most important thing is that he's honestly interested in learning, which is why she thinks he'd do well — unlike Ishimaru, who studies out of a sort of personal obligation to keep improving himself and stay on top of things and whatnot, Naegi seems more the kind of student who's doing it because he likes to learn things, and that's why she's usually more than happy to talk to him about pretty much whatever he wants to know.
Parker on Naegi
PARKER IS STILL NOT ENTIRELY CONVINCED THAT PEOPLE AS NICE AS NAEGI REALLY EXIST. He's got to be hiding something. Definitely. Absolutely. ...Maybe.
No, but Parker likes Naegi a lot, both from her personal experience and because pretty much all the Dangans think highly of Naegi, so in a way he's sort of been adopted as "her protag" too, even if she doesn't know what a protag does or what it means. She would definitely punch somebody who was hassling him. :|b
Kirigiri on Naegi
Dokis forever.Admittedly, this is a little gratuitous, but one of the things I've really enjoyed about playing out this ship with you in-game is the fact that it's created the opportunity to try to do their CR with a little more finesse than the game itself did — that is, Kirigiri's had plenty of opportunity to be wrong and to grow out of some of her faults, and Naegi's had his own personal development in his individual areas, and I really like that a lot because after what the kids went through in murderschool and everything, I feel like they sort of needed that personal growth and opportunity to interact with others in order to make their own relationship stronger and healthier. I think they really feel a lot more like an equal team these days than being in an arrangement of "plot dispenser and answer provider"; they help each other and listen to each other and care about each other, sometimes in really stupidcute adolescent doki ways and sometimes in much deeper, more profound disaster survivor kinds of ways.
So tl;dr I really like them a lot, and I especially like the way that Kirigiri has grown from her relationship with and feelings on Naegi. :|b
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So basically, he's figured out that Cobra's a little megalomaniacal (a little?) and also that Cobra is at some reasonably high-up position in the Rocket organization, all of which spells out an optimal arrangement to Schuldig because that means Cobra's pretty easy to keep happy (and thus, to stay in his favor); moreover, because Cobra's a little less...cautious than some of the other Rockets, that also means that working for him probably means Schuldig will be subjected to less superior-enacted restraint than he might be otherwise.
Basically, what Schuldig frequently says is the honest truth — he likes to be a facilitator of other people's schemes. He's not really a big-picture, long-term-plan kind of guy; he does better with the nuts and bolts of "here's a mission, go do it". So that means he actually does really well with Cobra because then Cobra tells him to go put the fear of god in a supposedly psychic highschooler, Schuldig gets to fuck up a guy in a back alley, and everybody ends up happy with their role in the process save for the unlucky victim.
So yeah, he likes the guy a lot!
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And I'm glad to know he likes him, because let's be real here, he'll probably find more things to hire him for in the future. And they'll probably be ridiculous.
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the social function is high but the words clearly are not doing so goodPART ONE OF WHO KNOWS
You know, what's kind of interesting in terms of the whole "we're never going to be friends but that's probably okay" concept is the fact that Kirigiri actually just said that to Celes recently, and it occurred to me as she was gearing up to say it that she probably never would have gotten to the point of being capable of articulating that to someone like Celes at the moment she was, had it not been for her CR with Ishimaru paving the way for it. It was more something along the lines of a larger group-level "we don't have to be friends or even like each other but regardless we're all interconnected in a given way that holds us together as a group, despite the character and transgressions of some of the people in that group", but still, it was a kind of really odd moment of understanding and clarity that she wouldn't have had without Ishimaru.
I think the thing that tends to trip Kirigiri up the most about Ishimaru is the fact that she forgets he doesn't tend to follow her cryptic way of speaking very well; with Naegi she's kind of used to the conversational model of referencing something and he'll just sort of fill in the end of the thought for her (thanks, game mechanics), but with Ishimaru you can't really...do implications, so as we have seen time and again a lot of their difficulties come from the fact that Kirigiri doesn't always know how to talk to Ishimaru (which is...not surprising considering I don't think she really knows how to talk to a lot of people period), and then Ishimaru in return has a tendency to hit some of the points and mannerisms that make Kirigiri get bristly.
That said, it's really fun to watch them in those rare times when they manage to both be on the same wavelength, which is usually the same point in which there is Shit That Needs Be Done; I've noticed that those tend to be the times when cooperating tends to reap Kirigiri the most appreciable benefits. I believe the alignment that I ultimately came to for her is Neutral Good as opposed to Ishimaru's Lawful Good; she's more focused on the thing needing to get done and less on how it gets done, which is where her occasional "the rules apply to everyone but me" perspective stems from. But when it becomes obvious that it's more productive to cooperate as opposed to going off on her own, then the two of them manage to work beneficially and actually Get Shit Done.
I also say, every time this meme comes up, that Kirigiri honestly does appreciate the role that Ishimaru fills in their class dynamic, even if she doesn't always appreciate him applying it to her specifically. It's very likely that the order he instituted helped to keep them all from spiraling downward into despair and murderous chaos from the get-go, and moreover she's spent a lot of time lately contemplating his general plan of "we need to bring all our classmates here and this will be our new safe home" — particularly because "all of us having a new safe home" was quite obviously something her dad wanted for them, too, and regardless of her feelings on her dad, that's kind of food for thought in terms of the lengths the guy went to in order to try to keep them all safe.
I think it's proooooobably likely that she'll continue to lightly tease him in the future? Not often, but I think she's sufficiently loosened up enough that it'll happen with slightly more regularity, if for no other reason than that maybe he'll be able to pick out a tell for "Kirigiri-kun is teasing me" and that'll be one small way they've become a little better at communicating.
...And she was actually completely honest when she said that she didn't so much care about the particular honorific as the thought behind it, though she might've misread his intention on that one a little — she took it as a slightly more personalized "I'm willing to treat you with the respect of an equal now as opposed to insisting on this vaguely passive-aggressive 'you are subordinate to me' remark", and since it was her birthday and all that was kind of a "oh what a thoughtful gift, Ishimaru-kun".
So basically if that wasn't his logic we should...maybe...not tell her otherwise...yeah. :|b
OKAY THERE
...Okay, Meridiana is kind of...in a really awkward sort of position with Tsukiyama right now, because her outlook on him is basically that sense of "we would never be friends (or possibly even associate with each other) were it not for this one thing that is kind of uniting us, but wouldn't you know it, that one thing exists, so...here we are."
Outwardly, he pretty much fits the profile of a decent gentleman: he dresses well in her estimation*, he addresses her properly, he generally treats her with respect and consideration, and so in a manner of speaking she's really got no foundation upon which to dislike him. At the same time, between the RULES OF NATURE thing and his personal struggles with facial expression and the fact that he didn't demonstrate a whole lot of empathy when she broke down crying in front of him, there's all these little twinges of something being off that she can't quite place, and it nags at her. I hate to pull the "she just gets a bad vibe" card, because it's not that, but it's more that she's subconsciously registering that something ain't right there, without being able to concretely say "it's this thing" or "it's that thing", so she's kind of penned in and forced to let it pass.
One of the semi-relevant things I feel like I need to point out about Meridiana here is that there's one point in canon where she makes an emotional appeal to Jezebel and tries to use the rationale of "but you love me, so...", which as you might expect hideously backfires on her. So I think some of that colors her experiences with Tsukiyama, too — if only in that she's been burned by equating courtesy and caretaking with affection and emotional attachment before, so as mentioned above there's this overall sense that Something Ain't Quite Right, but because she doesn't know what's not right, she can't really do anything about it.
That said, what she's been doing a lot of lately is flagrant escapism — she doesn't want to think about the life she left behind because it'll just make her break down and cry in a situation where she really doesn't have the structure or safety net to allow that, so instead she's kind of immersing herself in a very frivolous array of needs and concerns, like needing a gentleman to travel with because it's proper, and visiting entertainments because it's fun and that's What You Do, and at least some of the reason why she's still sticking with Tsukiyama is because she acknowledges that she doesn't really have any viable alternative option, so this one just sort of does for the time being?
...I realize this comes off as sounding kind of horrible but I think it kind of goes without saying that they're not really...friends so much, they're just kind of convenient for each other and pleasant enough to be around, and as you said, so long as we're keeping it on that surface level of courtesy and not peeling back the veneer to look at all the RULES OF NATURE underneath it all, it works out. She's kind of his pet curiosity and his presence in her life gives her a structure of how she fits in with this strange world she's been thrown into, and she's honestly very unlikely to say a bad word against him — on the contrary, she'd vouch for his reputation if anyone asked — but having been someone's doll before (rather literally, unfortunately), I think she can tell that things are fairly hands-off on his end and because of that she's sort of careful in terms of her expectations of him and how she handles their relationship.
* Look sometimes I read things about how Victorians felt about color in wardrobes and I got to this one article where it was like VICTORIAN MEN LOVED COLOR, TOO, THEY'D WEAR ORANGE AND GREEN AND CARMINE AND ALL SORTS OF SHIT (though probably not all at the same time) SO THEY WERE NO STRANGERS TO COLOR and I am just like .........god, you know what, okay then.
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ONE OF SEVERAL
In talking about Hagakure and how Parker tends to relate to him, one of the things I feel like I kind of need to do is sidetrack and talk about Parker in canon a little bit, and in particular about what she actually did experience when she went home for her canon update that affected her in some respects.
When I first picked up Parker, I brought her in from season three, episode three, which was itself a pretty defining Parker episode. However, that pull-point also came with the secondary consideration that it put Parker two episodes before the beginnings of one of the big personal crises she has throughout the third season, which is that she ends up realizing that she's experiencing feelings of jealousy when Hardison is particularly friendly and affectionate towards the Client Of The Week (to the point where she literally crushes beer bottles in her fists without realizing she's done it at the mere mention of the client's name). And in the series, that's really one of the first times that Parker really kind of...has to grapple with figuring out what attraction feels like, and identifying it when it happens, and so on and so forth.
So what's proven to be really interesting as far as Hagakure is concerned is that because of her original canonpoint, Parker initially branched away from that struggle and had it independently during gameplay in Route, but because she'd made so much progress at being socialized through her experiences with the Dangans, it was a much...milder? kind of personal journey in that respect. She had Ishimaru around to talk to about it, for one thing, and she'd had some bonding experiences that helped her towards a smoother transition.
By the end of the season (which is where Parker's updated to now), she's actually kind of come to terms with it with regards to Hardison, too, so it ended up working out that when she got back from her canon update, the thing that was nagging at her wasn't so much whether or not she liked Hagakure, so much as it was she had to kind of deal with the question of whether or not it was okay to like him and Hardison both. And I think that was actually really good for her? I mean, average people sometimes struggle with the concept that it's okay to like more than one person in your life and that you can like people without having to compare them to each other and arbitrarily rank one ahead of the other and whatnot, so seeing Parker achieve that was...just really nice, and it grew organically out of her CR so I'm really glad it happened.
And that is, actually, a pretty good foundation for talking about what Parker thinks of Hagakure — she actually never compares him to Hardison, because he's his own person with his own merits and those merits are what she likes about him. He never calls her crazy or patronizes her, and he's always very patient with her; that patience, in particular, makes a huge impact on her because sometimes things are just hard for her but Hagakure always manages to make her feel like it's okay to just be who she is, and that she's not deficient in any way regardless of how she acts. He never tries to coach her through being more "normal" or acts like she's committed a faux pas even when she totally has; he takes her as she is and that's okay, and she really, really values that.
...Also whether he realizes it or not he's completely hit the jackpot because Parker has so damn much money that she could probably pay off all his debts like five times over and still purchase a small island nation upon which to retire and live comfortably for the rest of her days, but that's not the point.
The point is, Hagakure is great and while he started out as One Of The Dangans, he's really gone a long way towards distinguishing himself in her esteem from the rest of the herd, and she sees him as a lot more of a discrete individual than as merely a part of Ishimaru's class.
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...Okay so it probably goes without saying that when it comes to the Dangan Ronpa survivors, on Kirigiri's end of things with regards to Hagakure there was at least a little bit of "...how the shit did this guy manage to outlive, outplay, outlast until the bitter end."
What's interesting, though, is that to some extent Hagakure is kind of the 78th class's "not the hero we wanted but the hero we deserved", a little bit — and he's really had a lot of room to grow and demonstrate that in Route, both with Kirigiri and as a member of the cast in general. Hagakure is kind of the cast's Ultimate Bro; he really cares about people and he legitimately tries his best and okay, so he's not an ace detective, but that doesn't make his contributions any less valuable because they all have their place, too.
And that, I think, is what Kirigiri is only just starting to realize about Hagakure, because Kirigiri is someone who has a lot of very definite ideas about what personal worth derives from (and she probably had a lot of time and opportunity to think about those ideas, growing up hating the fact that she was "the girl whose father threw her away"), and as such she inherently places a lot of value on intellectualism, which is not where Hagakure's true strengths lie. Consequently, if she doesn't put in the effort to see that, she comes away with the perception that the guy's an idiot and not really contributing much; that said, because of a bunch of the character development she's been undergoing lately, she really is starting to see that he's making valuable contributions in areas that they all probably need, even if they're not necessarily the ones they think they need.
And on a more personal level, I think Kirigiri's really starting to comprehend how much she appreciates the fact that Hagakure treats her like his friend and someone he values as being special to him, because she's very used to being a loner and fading into obscurity and not actually having attachments to friends and community like that, so that's actually pretty important to her, too.
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Schuldig on Dist is actually pretty concise, and it largely boils down to the fact that he recognizes Dist is in a position of responsibility and authority in the organization, and it's always better to have those people like you (and know who you are, and stand out to them) than the alternative, so he was pretty well pleased to find out that he's being discussed behind his back because that means he's made an impression, and he likes that.
That said, I don't think he knows about the Nagi/Dist/Kato connection yet, and when he does he'll probably start covertly supervising that like a hawk because Nagi is His™ and therefore Nagi's business is consequently his business, but he won't actually try to throw wrenches in it or anything so much as just kind of keep tabs on it. Things were different when he was doing this Rocket thing solo, but with another member of Schwarz around, the equation changes because for Schuldig, matters are always perceived as "Schwarz versus those who are not Schwarz", so Nagi will pretty much always take priority for him over...basically anything else.
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Admittedly, a lot of Carmen's interest in Greed stems from the fact that she has something ridiculous like two and a half literal years of CR with Kimblee, and over the course of that CR they've basically told each other pretty much their entire respective life stories, albeit in a really cryptic and roundabout sense (I seem to recall it was only fairly recently that she actually figured out that the seven Homunculi were named after the Seven Deadly Sins, for example). So a lot of the reason why she talks to Greed is twofold — because Greed is pretty forthcoming with a lot of personal information if you get him talking and ask the right questions, and because Greed will understandably have a different perspective on things than Kimblee does, so then she can kind of see what corresponds and what doesn't, and hear things from a different perspective.
...SO SHE WAS UNDERSTANDABLY RATHER CONFUSED WHEN SHE EVENTUALLY FOUND OUT THAT HE'S FROM A PARALLEL UNIVERSE AND WHATNOT.
But all in all she's generally fine with him? He's interesting to talk to and carries a good conversation, and if he flirts with her a little then so much the better because she's pretty much always down for that sort of thing.
Meridiana on Banjou
Okay let me start here by saying I know literally next to nothing about Tokyo Ghoul save for what I've picked up by osmosis, none of which ever mentioned Banjou in any capacity, so I literally had no idea what I was dealing with when I tagged him with Meridiana, outside of "this is a guy who's from the same canon as the guy who eats people that she's traveling with."
...Which is always a good reason to talk to someone.
So what's funny to me about Meridiana and Banjou's CR is the fact that if she ever found out relevant things like the fact that he's a staunch pacifist (I think?) and a reasonably decent guy and whatnot (I assume?), she'd immediately take well to him because given the way a bunch of her own canon events went, she really kind of abhors the idea of fighting and people getting hurt (particularly on her behalf), so she's big on the Pacifism Wow! thing right now.
I think she's a little perplexed by him still, but she's a little perplexed by everyone really, and he was at least reasonably nice to her, which works in his favor. And that's pretty much where she's at so far. :|a
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SHE REGRETS NOTHING EVER and Bernie is way too cool to get saddled with such a butthead like his trainer guy. Poor Bernie. Poor saintly noble Bernie.
Carmen on Kayneth
...You know what I think is kind of interesting about the way Carmen and Kayneth's relationship is developing in terms of how she sees him and stuff, is the fact that she's actually very conscious of Kayneth's faults and doesn't overlook them, but she's achieved a kind of maturity about recognizing that they're there and some of them are worth trying to nudge out of him and some of them are incorrigible and always going to piss her off and some are incorrigible and she can kind of just let them go and accept them, and that's fine — and I just really need to stress that what I am describing here is a shitload of interpersonal savvy that Carmen literally did not have when she first arrived in Route. Kayneth is reaping the benefits of a ton of development on her behalf, mostly because of Kimblee so what do you know, for once the guy's intercession actually didn't ruin Kayneth's life, but sort of achieved the exact opposite. :|a
But yeah, she likes him a lot, and she likes being able to really dig in and get her culture on when he's around, and granted I think she figures he could stand to loosen up a little bit because he always reads as a little stiff and uptight to her (some of which is just his personality and some of which is him being secretly doki about her), but I think she's come to the conclusion of kind of wearing him down over time, and maybe trying to fish around a bit until she finds situations where he's more likely to relax and unwind than others, and then orchestrate more of those until he starts seeming like he's more comfortable around her.
...Also she's still not entirely sure he's not a mass murderer, but that has literally nothing to do with Kayneth and more to do with the fact that Carmen's track record with men is absolute utter shit, and so she's kind of having the experience of "I really like this guy and he doesn't seem like a heinous psychopath...but that is also what I thought about several confirmed psychopaths in my personal history so OKAY I CLEARLY AM NOT A GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER..."
So there's...y'know. That.
Meridiana on Kayneth
Kayneth is actually among one of Meridiana's favorite people in the game right now, and it's for the easy and simple reason that he's 1) socially familiar to her (she knows how to fit "a lord" into her personal schema of the world; she does not always know how to fit "wireless internet" into that schema yet), and 2) he treats her with a given amount of patience considering the fact that she's really hella disoriented right now and a lot of what she's been getting from people is a sense of kind of...HURRY UP AND ADJUST TO THE MODERN ERA BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW, and it's really hard for her to make that shift and it's something she's struggling with a lot, so it's a huge relief that Kayneth tends to kind of inherently ease the way for her. He explains things in simple terms, he takes concepts slowly, the fact that he finds her quaint and a curiosity reads to her like understanding and friendliness, so she feels comfortable around him, and he just kind of helps her out without overloading her, which she appreciates a whole lot.
So yes, she thinks he's very nice and if he weren't as old as he is she might even try flirting with him a little ("as old as he is" is relative to her specifically — she's sixteen or seventeen) because a lord is generally a pretty solid catch, but as it is she's fine with him being a gentleman in her general direction and she likes that a lot.
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